Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. They absolutely do. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Give today. Patrick Tate: Okay. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. This is a list of known or suspected fatal cougar attacks that occurred in North America by decade in chronological order. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Well within there. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. More than 450 Facebook users as of Thursday had shared a photo Marc Weir posted Wednesday showing the big cat and . So. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. That's pretty elaborate. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Rick your thoughts. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Tim Yeah. You're on the air. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. They're just moving around freely. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Wes Siler. We had six copies printed out each. May 23 . And they were using all the habitat. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. He said matter of fact I do. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. And the cougar embodies that. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. The report came in from a conservation officer. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Artculos cientficos; Artculos de divulgacin; Menu So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain lion sightings in the Northeast, although most have been thought to be escaped captive animals. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Infinite Scroll Enabled. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! The New Hampshire lion has become something of the state's own Big Foot, commonly discussed and rumored but never confirmed; at least, not since the 1850s, when the last mountain lion in the . MicroBios. Patrick Tate: Yes. Car Crash 65 Miles From Mass. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Mountain lion DNA was recovered from a Petersham, Mass., close to the New Hampshire border, after a 2016 incident in which a horse was injured. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. I saw a mountain lion on my property in NE corner of Dutchess County about 6 years ago -- the cat (or a cat) had been spotted many times over the years and was believed to have been introduced and escaped from a nearby Hunting Preserve. And it was unmistakable. What kind of animal is that. Theres tracks everywhere. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. I'm Peter Biello. Caller: I have yeah. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. And why would they what. There are corollaries in other states. Oh you saw him online. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. That's next time on one day. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Well I can't tell you what you saw. SYCAMORE, Ill. (AP) A mountain lion that was struck and killed last weekend along a northern Illinois highway will be analyzed by biologists seeking to uncover the rare animal's origins, state . Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. New York on Easter Sunday. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. So do they. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. My YouTube Channel NH Fish and Game YouTube Channel My Facebook Page My Weekly Live Stream on the NH Wildlife Federation FB Page Home About Eric 2022 NH Nature Notes NH Wildlife NH Wildlife Deer Deer in NH And so. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. There was a lot of DNA evidence. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. OK. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. 50 feet above the most. for some excitement. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Absolutely. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. I'm Peter B yellow. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. So it's there was no question in my mind. 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